Dave Bean, like so many successful senior care leaders, was first exposed to the industry while looking for Alzheimer’s care for his father. When his father was first diagnosed, Dave had a thriving career in medical device and pharmaceutical sales. Even though there were challenges when he transitioned to the senior care industry eight years ago, he was able to overcome them to build a thriving business. Now he’s an entrepreneur that runs three Amada Senior Care franchises in Ogden, Salt Lake City, and Park City, Utah with roughly 170 caregivers.

When he sat down with me to share his perspective on the challenges of running his business at a pivotal point in the industry, nothing was theoretical. These five hard-won successes he shares on the Growth Operator podcast are growth plays you can use today.

1. Caregiver retention is the whole game

“If you don’t have good caregivers, you can’t take care of clients.”

Dave says the biggest risk in home care continues to be caregiver retention. “If you don’t have good caregivers, you can’t take care of clients,” Dave says. “It doesn’t matter how many caregivers you hire if you have just as many quitting on the back side.”

His point is no matter what technology or workflow you onboard for your agency, senior care will always need people to deliver the superior care experience. So, with your limited time and financial expenditures, you need to consider recruiting, interviewing, and onboarding caregivers. And, while having a robust pipeline of candidates is important, effective caregiver retention is a precondition of business growth. Think of all the knowledge and resources that go into enabling and supporting a senior caregiver. All of that goes out the door each time you lose an employee to better benefits or a better culture.

For Dave, that means a dedicated caregiver coordinator in each office, a points-based recognition system tied directly to gift cards delivered through a payroll app, and quarterly meetings that function as appreciation parties. Small gestures land bigger than most owners expect.

“Most of the time, it’s even just little, small things — like a $5 Starbucks card — that means the world to them,” Dave says.

2. Know your 20-60-20

“We have certain people we know will do it if we call them. But you have to be careful not to put them into burnout mode.”

Dave has a mental model for his caregiver workforce he considers when planning employee programs. Roughly 20% of caregivers are mission-driven, they do this work because they love it. Another 60% are middle-of-the-pack workers who like the job well enough. The bottom 20% are only there for a paycheck.

“The vast majority are in the middle,” Dave says.

To manage your workforce, your recognition programs, your training investments, and your coordinator’s attention should concentrate on converting the 60% into the mindset of the top 20%. The goal is to expand the number of employees in the top 20%, so as to protect the dedicated top performers from burnout. An important rule of thumb is to not use the same folks to cover shifts every time someone calls off.

“We have certain people we know will do it if we call them,” Dave says. “But you have to be careful not to put them into burnout mode.”

3. Reputation is your moat, protect it

“It’s hard to earn a good referral source, but it’s very easy to lose it.”

In a market where every senior care agency offers the same services using similar-looking brochures, reputation is the only differentiator.

“It’s hard to earn a good referral source, but it’s very easy to lose it,” Dave says. “Word gets out pretty fast in this industry about what’s going on.”

That’s why you need to consider how your tech stack can elevate your reputation. Once Dave put Sensi in front of referral partners, he knew the documented care data and proactive alerts proved a standard of care competitors could not easily replicate. And, if you’re in a room full of agencies making identical pitches, showing up with outcome data shifts the conversation.

“There are only so many times you can go to a referral source and say, ‘We have the best caregivers,'” Dave says. “You have to do things differently.”

4. Automate the mundane so your team can do meaningful work

“When you get that lead, you better be calling within 5 or 10 minutes.”

One of Dave’s growth insights is about where his office staff’s time goes versus where he thinks it should go. He describes a situation where a team member’s entire job was responding to inbound leads from platforms like A Place for Mom and AgingCare. Agencies need to be the first to follow up on leads since the same lead goes to four or five competitors simultaneously.

“I told her, ‘I don’t care if it’s nights or weekends; when you get that lead, you better be calling within 5 or 10 minutes,'” Dave says.

Sally, the Sensi growth agent, can automate that first response to chase leads and schedule assessments so employees can focus on relationship-building. In senior care, relationships drive retention and referrals and need a human touch. Dave believes every hour of staff time spent on a task a system could handle is an hour not spent on a client, a caregiver, or a referral partner.

For in-home care, Sensi is an immediate value-add to seniors and their caregivers. When a caregiver arrives at a client’s home they can concentrate on spending time with their senior clients rather than playing catch-up to understand what happened during the hours they weren’t there.

5. Different stages demand different focus

“It’s completely different running a company when you’re trying to hit your first $100,000 versus trying to hit the $2 million or $3 million mark.”

“It’s completely different running a company when you’re trying to hit your first $100,000 versus trying to hit the $2 million or $3 million mark,” Dave says.

Understanding what stage your agency is at and what type of growth engine you need at that stage is foundational to your success. Dave remembers when his Amada franchise network hit the “Million Dollar Club,” roughly $86,000 a month in revenue. Before he hit that milestone, the business felt like it was in survival mode. After he passed that goal post, he began thinking in systems, scale, and healthy growth rather than just keeping the lights on.

Dave’s advice for new owners is to invest in administrative staff before you think you need it. If you’re taking care of anything and things start falling through the cracks before you start hiring, it might be already too late. Get organized before it’s a necessity or you might have to dig yourself out of an administrative mess.

“When things start falling through the cracks, you need to make the investment to hire somebody else,” Dave says. “You won’t get to the next level unless you do.”

Eight years in, three franchises, and 170 caregivers later, Dave’s roadmap for growing his business remains the same. He says every agency will grow as long as they take care of their caregivers and train them well. Tools and systems are constantly evolving, but the path to success is constant.

Want to see how Sensi can automate your operations so you can concentrate on delivering superior senior care? Book a demo and we will show you how it works.

00:00:02 Romi Gubes: Hi, Dave. 

00:00:03 Dave Bean: Hi. How are you? 

00:00:04 Romi Gubes: Good. How are you? 

00:00:05 Dave Bean: I’m doing great. Thanks. 

00:00:06 Romi Gubes: Great. Thank you for joining me on the Growth Operator Podcast. Our hope is to give back to the community, to share your knowledge, and to celebrate your journey with the home care industry. You know, it’s a growing industry. We have more agencies popping up every day now. Our hope is to help them get on the trajectory of growth and share some great lessons learned from an agency owner like yourself who has been in the business for a while now and has had tremendous success. 

00:00:23 Dave Bean: Well, yeah. Pretty good success, I guess. Yeah. 

00:00:25 Romi Gubes: So today we’re going to speak about challenges, risks, and opportunities in home care going into 2026. The landscape is evolving every day now, and we’re seeing different trends coming in. First of all, if you can just introduce yourself real quick so our audience will get to know you. Then if you can share your take on what the biggest risks are, and then we’ll speak about opportunities as well. 

00:00:43 Dave Bean: Yeah. So my name is Dave Baynham. I’m the owner of Amada Senior Care in Salt Lake City and North Salt Lake. I have three franchises and have been in business for going on eight years now, so it’s been a heck of a ride. There have been good days, bad days, and everything in between. But now everything’s going good. Yeah. 

00:01:03 Romi Gubes: And throughout those years, I’m sure you saw the industry evolve and your agency evolve as well. If you look at this point in time, what do you see as the biggest risk going into 2026? 

00:01:10 Dave Bean: I think one of the biggest risks is the number of caregivers that are available. When I first started, it seemed like the pool of caregivers that we could choose from was a lot bigger, and it seems like it’s getting smaller and smaller all the time. Being a caregiver is definitely not an easy thing to do; it takes a special type of person to be a caregiver. So I think that’s one of the most difficult parts of it: finding good caregivers and keeping good caregivers.

00:01:34 Romi Gubes: So saying caregivers is a very narrow market at the end of the day. You have to have people who are really coming to it because they are passionate and mission-driven, right? It’s not just another job in a restaurant. 

00:01:41 Dave Bean: Yeah. And the thing about it, too, is that the caregivers go to the house by themselves. So if you don’t have really good communication with the caregivers from the office, then it just doesn’t work very well. The bigger you get, the larger you are, the more caregivers you have, and the more stuff you have going on. So it’s just making sure you hire good caregivers and keep good caregivers. Yeah. 

00:01:58 Romi Gubes: And you spoke about communication, which is the main thing, right? Hiring is one thing, but if we’re not able to retain them with good communication and good relationships, it’s worth nothing. 

00:02:04 Dave Bean: Yeah. Communication and making them feel appreciated. We always ask a lot of caregivers who come to interview with us from other agencies why they want to leave that franchise or that company and come over to us. Almost every single time, they say they don’t feel appreciated. As I said, it’s a very difficult job that they’re doing all the time, and if they don’t feel appreciated, then it makes it even a lot worse. 

00:02:22 Romi Gubes: Why do you think many agencies are failing at that, on letting their caregivers feel appreciated? Because I guess most people understand that retaining caregivers is a main challenge in their business. 

00:02:29 Dave Bean: I think as you’re growing, you just get consumed with so many other things. It’s difficult. It’s about having the right staff in the office to communicate well and just staying on top of all that kind of stuff. It means recognizing them and taking the time to do special little things. Most of the time, it’s even just little, small things—like even a $5 Starbucks card or something like that means the world to them. It’s hard because, especially as an owner, I’m dealing with clients, staff, and so many other things. If you don’t stay on top of the most important thing—which I strongly believe is the caregivers, because if we don’t have caregivers, we can’t take care of clients, right? 

00:03:04 Romi Gubes: How big is your team today? Office staff or caregivers? 

00:03:06 Dave Bean: Office staff, we have six besides me. 

00:03:09 Romi Gubes: Six of you. And do you have someone who is dedicated specifically to caregiver communication? 

00:03:12 Dave Bean: We have a caregiver coordinator. It crosses over to some of the other roles, but we have one person who specifically handles the caregivers. I have two offices; I have one in Layton and one down in Salt Lake, so they overlap a little bit. But yeah, having a care coordinator for communication with the caregivers is incredible because it doesn’t matter how many caregivers you hire if you have just as many quitting on the back side. Hiring caregivers, interviewing them, and onboarding them is a lot of work. So you’ve got to get into the mindset of taking a little extra time to make sure they’re appreciated and communicated with instead of just moving on, because if you don’t, you’re going to be interviewing more all the time. That’s definitely one of the hardest parts. 

00:03:52 Romi Gubes: And this person who is the caregiver coordinator, are they also in charge of hiring? 

00:03:55 Dave Bean: No, no, no. We have a recruiter who does all of the recruiting, and obviously they communicate. But yeah, we have a specific person just for recruiting for that.

00:04:02 Romi Gubes: And how many caregivers are they managing? 

00:04:04 Dave Bean: Down in the office in Salt Lake, we have about 30—it’s newer because I just got those franchises— so we have about 40 or 45 caregivers. 

00:04:13 Romi Gubes: One person managing 40 caregivers. 

00:04:15 Dave Bean: Yeah. And then my office, my main office in Layton, we have about 130 caregivers. 

00:04:21 Romi Gubes: And the same person is managing both offices or? 

00:04:23 Dave Bean: Well, they overlap a little bit and just help each other out based on what’s going on. 

00:04:27 Romi Gubes: One for 40, one for 130. 

00:04:29 Dave Bean: They cross over, but yeah, that’s a lot of people. 

00:04:32 Romi Gubes: Yeah, that’s a lot. 

00:04:33 Dave Bean: Obviously, the recruiter is not going to be doing interviews and orientation every single day, so everybody’s got to help everybody in the office. If you don’t have that, that’s probably one of the other biggest things: having good office staff. If you don’t have good office staff, you don’t have communication with the caregivers, and it’s just a snowball effect. 

00:04:54 Romi Gubes: What is the playbook or process for the caregiver communication coordinators? What are they doing throughout the day? 

00:05:00 Dave Bean: We have standard things for them to do. We have a points system where if they take an extra shift or do something outstanding, we give them points. Then at our quarterly meeting, we give rewards and that kind of stuff, so they stay on top of that. Obviously, every morning we have a 15- to 20-minute huddle as an office team to talk about everything going on, issues with caregivers, issues with clients, and how we can do better. Staying on top of that every day is key, and then the care coordinator puts out fires and tries to reward the ones who are doing well. 

00:05:32 Romi Gubes: Any specific initiatives your office took that really moved the needle on caregiver satisfaction or caregiver retention? 

00:05:38 Dave Bean: Yeah, we implemented that points program to recognize them with points, and through our payroll system, we set it up so we could give them gift cards directly to an app on their phone. That has worked really well because it’s so easy just to send them that. Keeping track of the points system and stuff like that is a lot of work for the care coordinator to stay on top of. I was hesitant to do it at first because of all the manpower it takes to stay on top of all that, but then again, if you’re not taking care of your caregivers and showing them that appreciation, you’re going to spend more time recruiting and hiring. When we have our quarterly meeting, it’s a big party. Obviously, because of state rules, we have to teach them stuff, but it’s also showing rewards and stuff like that. The other caregivers see that and think, “Wow, look how much these guys care about them. I want to win that prize.” 

00:06:33 Romi Gubes: Do you feel that this challenge of retaining caregivers is different when you’re a smaller agency starting your first steps versus being a more mature agency? 

00:06:41 Dave Bean: Oh, absolutely. When you’re a lot smaller, you’re only dealing with 10 or 15 caregivers. Then you get bigger and bigger, and you’re dealing with so many more. It’s definitely part of the growing pains. Making sure you have enough office staff to take care of all the caregivers is a challenge, and you ask yourself, “Can I afford another person in the office to be able to take care of all the caregivers?” It’s a huge juggling act. We’ve tried some things that really haven’t worked, like doing things through our CRM and scheduling software. That just really hasn’t worked very well, but the points system has seemed to work really well. I also had some issues with office staff that really set us back, and letting somebody in the office go is not an easy thing. Getting somebody else onboarded is tough, but sometimes those are the difficult things you have to do as an owner to ensure you have the right person in the right place.

00:07:46 Romi Gubes: What did you learn from that experience about hiring the perfect fit for this role? What do you think are the absolute must-have skills? 

00:07:54 Dave Bean: I think it’s empathy. It’s a really hard line with caregivers because you can be way too easy on them, and then they start taking advantage of you. One of my very first coordinators—well, she had a lot of roles because there were only a couple of us—was just like, they’d call off saying, “I can’t make it,” and she’d be like, “Okay, no problem,” and give it to somebody else. Then the caregivers started thinking, “Oh, I can just call off, it’s no big deal.” Then we had somebody else take over who was almost way too much the other way; she was very rigid and almost didn’t show them any love, and was really hard on them. You have to find somebody in the middle, where you push back a little bit but you also have to be tough sometimes. It’s kind of like being a parent, I guess. 

00:08:42 Romi Gubes: I think it’s very challenging work, though, right? Your emotional intelligence should be high. 

00:08:46 Dave Bean: Yeah, it’s definitely not easy. There are plenty of times you just want to grab the caregivers by the neck and strangle them because you think, “I’ve been doing this for a long time, I’ve seen it all, and I’ve heard it all.” Even still, there’s something new all the time when dealing with caregivers. That’s honestly one of the hardest parts of the job. 

00:09:05 Romi Gubes: One of the things I learned from our clients regarding that balance between being too harsh and too soft is a tip worth sharing. Whenever someone calls off claiming they are at a doctor or something happened to their car, the agency asks for written proof—whether it’s a doctor’s note or an invoice. Just by doing that, they reduced no-shows and call-offs dramatically. 

00:09:27 Dave Bean: One of the things we found is that if they call and say, “Hey, my babysitter didn’t show up, I can’t go to my shift,” the first thing should always be to be empathetic. Say, “I’m so sorry that’s going on. I’m a parent, too, and I understand.” But then follow up with, “Is there somebody else who can watch your kids? Can your mom do it? Can your neighbor do it?” Come up with some solutions and make them take some accountability. We started telling caregivers, “Look, if you can’t do your shift, you need to find somebody else to do it, and if you can’t, then we’ll help you in the office.” You have to push back and make them look for answers, too.

00:10:04 Romi Gubes: It’s super interesting what you’re saying. If you look at the market of potential caregivers, if you had to guesstimate, how many of them come into this because they are mission-driven and truly care about the people they serve, versus how many view it strictly from a technical approach as just a job to get paid? 

00:10:19 Dave Bean: You always have about 20% who do it because they absolutely love it. They could probably make more money doing something else, but they do it because they love it. Then you have the middle of the pack who like it, but it’s a job. Then you have the bottom ones who are just in it for a paycheck, and if they could do something else, they would. It’s a spectrum. 

00:10:41 Romi Gubes: If you had to put percentages to those numbers? 

00:10:44 Dave Bean: Probably 20-60-20. The vast majority are in the middle. 

00:10:48 Romi Gubes: So you have 20% that you feel comfortable with who truly care and have that inner motivation, right? 

00:10:53 Dave Bean: Yes, and one of the hard things we’ve had to start watching closely is our really good caregivers. They are the ones who are always there and always willing to fill in, but we have to be careful not to burn those people out. When someone calls-off last minute, we have certain people we know will do it if we call them, but you have to be careful not to put them into burnout mode. It’s tough. 

00:11:15 Romi Gubes: Do the caregiver coordinators in your office have KPIs? 

00:11:18 Dave Bean: Yeah, they do. We’ve been implementing a lot more training because two major things clients complain about are, “You keep sending me different caregivers all the time,” or, “The caregivers coming don’t know how to do this stuff. Why am I training your caregivers?” So we’ve spent a lot more time with our care coordinators doing training out in the field and in the office. We set up a training room with a hospital bed, Hoyer lift, slide boards, and gait belts to get them trained. It’s a lot of upfront work, but if you train them well, they can do more things and go to more clients. So they have a KPI around training. 

00:12:03 Romi Gubes: Any other KPIs related to retention? 

00:12:05 Dave Bean: Yeah, staying on top of call-offs, missed shifts, and no-call no-shows. They have KPIs on what our target levels are. Part of it is tracking how many are leaving so we can look and see what we need to do. That works hand-in-hand with the recruiter, too, because you want to recruit and hire good people from the start to have fewer issues going forward. But it’s easier said than done. 

00:12:28 Romi Gubes: Now I want to shift gears, with your permission, to speak about opportunities. We know the population is aging, so this challenge is not getting easier and it’s yet to be fully figured out. From speaking to hundreds of agencies every month, I know it’s not just an issue in Salt Lake City; it’s everywhere and it’s getting worse. How do you look at the opportunities in home care? 

00:12:44 Dave Bean: People are living longer and aging longer, so there are going to be more and more clients all the time. There are a lot of new companies popping up, so there’s a lot of competition, but there’s also tons of opportunity. The nice thing is that the demand isn’t going away, so it’s about making sure you take care of the clients you do have. 

00:13:06 Romi Gubes: We are seeing a lot of demand for home care, but at the same time, a lot of competition. How do you make sure you’re optimizing to win cases and referrals? 

00:13:14 Dave Bean: My thought process is that if you have a caregiver who is happy and enjoys working for you, they’re going to provide better care. If you don’t have good communication with your caregivers and they don’t feel appreciated, they can go to a client’s house and pretend to be happy, but the clients see right through that. To provide better care, your caregivers need to be happy and feel appreciated. Communication between the office and the clients is also very important. It’s about matching them up with the right people, which is hard. You have some really difficult clients where a lot is going on, and the caregivers don’t want to go back there because they don’t feel comfortable. Then the clients get mad because you keep putting different caregivers in there. So you have to change some stuff. 

00:14:00 Romi Gubes: What you’re saying is that when you have this momentum going—great caregivers trained, matched right with the client, and clients experiencing high satisfaction—it translates into more business at the end of the day, right? They bring referrals in and leave good reviews online. The other outcome is client retention, which I feel goes under-spoken in the industry. But assuming you get a cold internet lead reaching out to you and shopping around, usually they won’t call just you; they’ll call five agencies in the area. How do you make sure your agency stands out? 

00:14:38 Dave Bean: A lot of times, it’s being on top of it and contacting them first. If you get a lead from a place like A Place for Mom or AgingCare, they send that same lead out to three, four, or sometimes five different companies. Calling them first and having good communication over the phone is critical. Training the person taking those inbound calls is huge. Then, when you go do the assessment and sit down, there might be three brochures from other companies sitting on the table. To be honest, all of them speak the same language and have the same messaging. So it comes down to the person sitting down with the family and making a true connection with them. That’s the sales part of it. It might feel weird to say you’re selling, but you kind of are—you’re selling them on your company. 

00:15:38 Romi Gubes: Do you have any technology you implemented lately that is directly connected to growth in your agency? 

00:15:44 Dave Bean: As far as technology goes, nothing really new besides bringing on Sensi, which has been incredible. Like we talked about, it’s getting harder all the time with more competition and fewer caregivers, but there are still plenty of clients, so you have to think outside the box. There are only so many times you can go to a referral source or a family and say, “We have the best caregivers,” because the other companies are saying the exact same thing. You have to do things differently. 

00:16:15 Romi Gubes: If you could develop an AI workflow or automate anything in your business to grow faster, what would it be? 

00:16:22 Dave Bean: There are so many mundane things that take up so much time for the office staff. Having technology to handle inbound calls would be great. I had a girl in my office, Jessica, whose job was to handle leads from AgingCare and A Place for Mom. As I said, they send them to four or five companies at the same time, so your odds of getting the assessment are much higher if you are the first to call. I told her, “I don’t care if it’s nights or weekends; when you get that lead, you better be calling within 5 or 10 minutes.” Implementing technology to take that off her plate frees her up to spend more time being a care coordinator, where building those relationships really matters. 

00:17:15 Romi Gubes: Exactly. How do you think about truly owning your market in terms of competition? 

00:17:21 Dave Bean: Reputation. That’s the biggest thing by far. It’s hard to earn a good referral source, but it’s very easy to lose it. Securing people who trust you is what secures your business. It’s also a very small environment. There are only so many caregivers, and many work for multiple companies at the same time. People from hospice and home health companies move around all the time, and they have their favorite agencies they refer to. Word gets out pretty fast in this industry about what’s going on. 

00:18:14 Romi Gubes: We feel the same way. Providing better care creates a better reputation, which compounds and creates a moat around your business. It takes years and many clients for newcomers to build that level of credibility. 

00:18:31 Dave Bean: It’s a huge learning process. We’ve had really good things happen, and we’ve had bad things happen; it’s just figuring out how to do it better. 

00:18:46 Romi Gubes: Was this desire for credibility and reputation what drove you to choose a franchise instead of remaining independent? 

00:18:54 Dave Bean: Yeah. I had a background in medical device and pharmaceutical sales for 20-plus years. When my dad had Alzheimer’s and passed away, that’s when I decided to do this. I looked at options, and the franchise was the way to go. Sometimes I wish I didn’t have it now, but I wouldn’t have been able to grow as fast as I did without it. 

00:19:25 Romi Gubes: If you could give owners who are just starting or are stagnant one specific area of focus for 2026 to put them on the right trajectory, what would it be? 

00:19:40 Dave Bean: I don’t even know how to answer that honestly, because each agency deals with different issues. In different years, we’ve had to focus on different things. Today, it all boils back down to taking care of the caregivers, making them feel appreciated, and ensuring they are trained to provide great care. If you do those things, you’re going to be successful.

00:20:11 Romi Gubes: So, summarizing our conversation, it’s a matter of the maturity of your business, right? Different stages require different focus areas. At the beginning, it’s about credibility and getting your first clients. Later when scaling, recruiting and retaining caregivers at scale becomes the barrier to growth. 

00:20:30 Dave Bean: It’s completely different running a company when you’re trying to hit your first $100,000 or $250,000 versus trying to hit the $2 million or $3 million mark. How I run my company now is completely different from how I ran it before. 

00:20:51 Romi Gubes: At this point in time for you, what is your main focus area? 

00:20:56 Dave Bean: How can I retire the fastest? No, I’m kidding. You want to grow, but not so fast that things start falling through the cracks. It’s about healthy growth and efficiency. Efficiency is probably my biggest priority this year—making the office run smoother, improving processes, and implementing more in-depth KPIs. 

00:21:28 Dave Bean: I remember when I only had one lady working in my office and we were growing fast. I called another owner and asked, “How do I know when I should hire another person for the office? Can I afford it?” He told me, “When things start falling through the cracks, you need to make the investment to hire somebody else because you won’t get to the next level unless you do.” But it’s hard when you’re taking on that financial risk. At the beginning, it feels more like an investment than something that makes immediate financial sense. It depends on how much cash flow you have. Some people come into the business with a ton of cash; when I came in, I didn’t have hardly anything and was just scraping by. 

00:22:20 Romi Gubes: What created your initial success in bringing those first 20 clients onboard? It was just you at the beginning, right? 

00:22:27 Dave Bean: Yeah, and I had one other person helping me. If it wasn’t for her, I wouldn’t be where I’m at now. The first two years, I honestly thought at one point, “I can’t keep doing this anymore. This is running me ragged.” The first and second years are super hard, and we were also going through COVID right as I was getting started. That was a huge curveball, so you have to stay on your toes. But now it’s way different. 

00:23:05 Romi Gubes: Where do you feel you hit the milestone of no longer being in survival mode, where you could think about scale? What is that target milestone? 

00:23:17 Dave Bean: We call it the “Million Dollar Club.” It’s basically when you’re hitting about $86,000 a month, which paces you for a million for the year. I think hitting that mark is when I felt we could breathe. 

00:23:44 Romi Gubes: Last question: how do you see the industry 3 to 5 years from now if you had a crystal ball? 

00:23:55 Dave Bean: Unfortunately, I do see fewer and fewer caregivers; the pool keeps getting smaller, while the demand from clients keeps growing. To be successful in the next 3 to 5 years, the key will be thinking outside the box to operate differently and more efficiently. It’s so easy for the office staff to get bogged down with mundane stuff, so automating that to focus on what’s important is going to be huge. 

00:24:40 Romi Gubes: So overcoming competition by finding ways to attract and retain caregivers longer will drive success over the next 3 to 5 years. 

00:24:52 Dave Bean: Yeah, you’ve got to take care of the caregivers. That’s the key. 

00:24:56 Romi Gubes: That makes tons of sense. Thank you so much, Dave. It’s a pleasure, and I hope you get to retire soon! Thank you for the partnership. 

00:25:04 Dave Bean: You bet, thank you.